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isladogs
post Sep 29 2019, 01:56 AM
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Hi Jack
Thanks. Yes I use linear / standard view and sort=desc is exactly what I want.
However 1 issue is that the post numbering still shows #1 at the top which will be confusing if I refer to a specific pit by number.

Anyway I'm grateful for your efforts on this.

Agree there is no point doing this for the threaded view. Far too confusing!

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DanielPineault
post Dec 9 2019, 04:19 PM
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One more to add to the list, make media accessible without logging in. I some times do a search pull up a thread and find that I can't view images or other attachments without logging in. If the content isn't protected then why would the media be.

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FrankRuperto
post Dec 9 2019, 07:32 PM
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Probably same reason why you cant see the content of a posted reply when you get an email notification, they want us to login to UA.
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jleach
post Dec 10 2019, 05:53 AM
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Re: the site content, I'll run it by the admins, but my guess is that stuff like Code Archive downloads would remain behind registration. I think images probably aren't a big deal though.

Re: email content, I'm not sure if this software supports that. One argument against that feature I can think of would be that sometimes posts are made in haste and shortly thereafter edited, so by viewing it on the site and not a copy in an email, you're sure to get the intended response. In any case, it's hardly a conscious decision with the effort to drive people to log in to UA.

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isladogs
post Dec 10 2019, 06:09 AM
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When you do update the forum, I'd rather have the email content even though it may get edited afterwards. Then I can decide whether to login and reply.
I'd also prefer to only get notification of the first response rather than all subsequent responses.
Other forums only send one email notification unless you login and view the content. Saves drowning in emails.

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jleach
post Feb 22 2020, 09:48 PM
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On the topic of descending order post listings: to do this on the current software would have required gutting nearly half of the codebase. Aside from the fact that generating a post list touches on dozens of files in the php code, the post numbers are assigned at the time or rendering, not as part of the database, so reversal of posts with correct numbering is extremely difficult, taking into account deleted or pending approval posts that may not be visible to non-admins.

UAv4's implementation of this:

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this.posts = settings.user.getPostOrder() === 'desc' ? response.data.posts.reverse() : response.data.posts;


Fun stuff. I'm very much looking forward to the new release, it's coming along very nicely.

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FrankRuperto
post Feb 23 2020, 12:10 AM
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Why would changing posts sort order be so difficult? No data needs updating, just append "descending" to the "order by" clause in the query? Having the correct numbering is not so important as being able to quickly view most recent posts without having to jump to the end. Just saying.
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jleach
post Feb 23 2020, 08:10 AM
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I already said that:

>> generating a post list touches on dozens of files in the php code <<

>> the post numbers are assigned at the time of rendering, not as part of the database <<

>> deleted or pending approval posts that may not be visible <<

Have you worked with much convoluted php code that's purposely structure to be a mess and prevent people from tampering with it? Ideally it should be as easy as changing an order, but things are rarely ideal.

>> Having the correct numbering is not so important <<

It is, because people refer to post numbers often.

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FrankRuperto
post Feb 23 2020, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE
Have you worked with much convoluted php code that's purposely structure to be a mess and prevent people from tampering with it? Ideally it should be as easy as changing an order, but things are rarely ideal.


Wow, is UA 3's code in that bad of shape?... Then perhaps no mods should be done to UA 3 and include this and many other feature request in UA 4.

UA 3 php was purposely obfuscated?... Interesting wary.gif

No one has died as a result of using UA 3, so we can continue limping along until UA 3 retires

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jleach
post Feb 23 2020, 04:03 PM
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Yes, it's a mess. It's commercial software, and the author doesn't seem to have been keen on extensibility (we adopted it some time ago because of the integration with MediaWiki).

In any case, that's why a lot of fixes and improvements have been sidelined for a long time. Not because we don't want to do things, but because it's excruciatingly difficult to do so.

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