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projecttoday
post Sep 4 2019, 10:27 AM
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I would like to see the Jobs and Projects forum revived.

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theDBguy
post Sep 4 2019, 10:32 AM
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Hi Robert. No promises but can you suggest any rules or guidance we could maybe implement to avoid the problems we had (sorry I can't remember all of them but one of them was about spam) with the old job postings forum? Thanks!

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GroverParkGeorge
post Sep 4 2019, 10:37 AM
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Robert,

We dropped them for a couple of reasons. One was the problem of keeping posted projects up-to-date. Have posted jobs been contracted out? Are they still open? Does the poster have the responsibility to let others know of the disposition of posted jobs? The more serious problem was that sponsoring such a form might be interpreted as an endorsement of anyone offering services via that forum. That, of course, we couldn't do. There's no way we could vet any and all posters, either offers of work or offers to provide services. Nor would we want to assume that responsibility for either role.


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projecttoday
post Sep 4 2019, 10:45 AM
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Thanks, dbGuy and George. I didn't realize that forum was such a problem.

dbGuy, the only thing I could suggest, and my website experience is limited, would be a prominently-placed disclaimer / disclaimers. As far as spam goes, aren't the rest of the forums subject to that?

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kfield7
post Sep 4 2019, 10:46 AM
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Wouldn't a disclaimer (large print, bold, underlined, italicized, red) be sufficient to mitigate the endorsement concerns?

(appears Robert was thinking alike)
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kfield7
post Sep 4 2019, 11:07 AM
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Disposition of the posting:
A) OP closes the job or
B) Job auto-closes after X days.
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projecttoday
post Sep 4 2019, 11:25 AM
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B sounds good. The project listing disappears automatically after 7 ... 14 ... 30 (?) days if the OP doesn't bump it.

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jleach
post Sep 4 2019, 11:34 AM
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Unfortunately hardly anyone reads any guidelines/disclaimers (a few do on occasion, but generally their practical purpose is more to point to it/them when they're violated).

Regarding spam and the rest of the forums, yes, we do deal with that elsewhere besides the job boards, but the job board tends to attract that type of behavior like moths to a bright light at night. Due to the nature of such a board, there's quite a bit of different dynamics regarding that in comparison to the rest of the boards:

- we get members that sign up to post/promote there and don't contribute anywhere else
- it's competitive by nature: people generally tend to act different when there's something of monetary value on the line instead of goodwill volunteering
- what is acceptable vs spam is often very subjective in a job/project board
- when something does need moderation, there tends to be a lot more pushback and discontent on the part of the person being moderated than elsewhere

All in all, it's much more difficult to manage the human nature aspect of a jobs board then the "regular" boards.

With that said, I personally don't see this as insurmountable or offer these as an excuse for why the mods can't do it (or to suggest that we're lazy and don't want to). This topic has come up a number of times in mod discussion since the board was closed, but as you can see no changes as of yet.

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projecttoday
post Sep 4 2019, 12:27 PM
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Okay, I'm sure you're right about people not reading the fine print. I think that's why kfield and I suggested creating a message that is really noticeable. Maybe disclaimer isn't really the right word. How about warning message? Just a suggestion.

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kfield7
post Sep 4 2019, 12:57 PM
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Maybe even require users who access the job forum to acknowledge the disclaimer each time they open the forum page?



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GlenKruger
post Sep 4 2019, 10:34 PM
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CODE
B) Job auto-closes after X days.

We tried that but the software changed and I just didn't have the time to monitor it on a daily basis back then.

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